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Since: Dec 22, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:08 pm
Post subject: Warm wishes on a cold night
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Best for the holidays & 2008 to whoever is still reading here.
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Some bottled-up Orwell thoughts while I'm at it:
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Was thinking the other day about young Eric Blair trying so hard to
spend Christmas in jail and realizing the extent of detachment from
family that implies. Both his parents were then living, and not all
that far from London. They must have wanted him at the dinner table.
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Also, been rereading *Ulysses* and finding all sorts of Orwell stuff,
not just the Nighttown narrative model and the character named Mrs.
Talboys, but, e.g., a comic riff with a character addressing God as
"Big Brother up there, Mr President," and other stuff I can't remember
now.
Suppose the daily-awkwardness stuff in Orwell's novels owes a lot to
Joyce too. What an amazing big womb of a book.
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Rgds,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:42 am
Post subject: Re: Warm wishes on a cold night [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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bridegam RemoveThis @pacbell.net writes:
> Was thinking the other day about young Eric Blair trying so hard to
> spend Christmas in jail and realizing the extent of detachment from
> family that implies. Both his parents were then living, and not all
> that far from London. They must have wanted him at the dinner table.
There is an amusing Canadian song (I have a text of it somewhere, but
can't find it, even with Google) about a young man who is in prison on
a dope charge, and is looking forward to the piece of candy & the
tangerine that all the prisoners are going to get on Christmas, and is
pissed off because his family manage to get him pardoned so he can be
with them for Christmas.
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Since: Dec 27, 2007
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Warm wishes on a cold night [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Dec 22, 10:08 pm, bride... RemoveThis @pacbell.net wrote:
> Best for the holidays & 2008 to whoever is still reading here.
> .
> .
> Some bottled-up Orwell thoughts while I'm at it:
> .
> .
> Was thinking the other day about young Eric Blair trying so hard to
> spend Christmas in jail and realizing the extent of detachment from
> family that implies. Both his parents were then living, and not all
> that far from London. They must have wanted him at the dinner table.
> .
> .
> Also, been rereading *Ulysses* and finding all sorts of Orwell stuff,
> not just the Nighttown narrative model and the character named Mrs.
> Talboys, but, e.g., a comic riff with a character addressing God as
> "Big Brother up there, Mr President," and other stuff I can't remember
> now.
>
> Suppose the daily-awkwardness stuff in Orwell's novels owes a lot to
> Joyce too. What an amazing big womb of a book.
> .
> .
> Rgds,
>
> /M
If he had had a Blackberry, he would never have got away with it.
I guess that he wondered how he, like Joyce, could get his books into
the English secondary school curriculum so that every child would know
(and fear) his name. Clearly Clergyman's Daughter did not quite cut
it, but with that book about animals and another later book he really
hit the textbook jackpot. He could have taken early retirement and
spent his latter years playing golf with Bing Crosby, who was his
exact contemporary. >> Stay informed about: Warm wishes on a cold night |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:17 am
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On 23 Dec, 03:08, bride... RemoveThis @pacbell.net wrote:
> Best for the holidays & 2008 to whoever is still reading here.
> .
> .
> Some bottled-up Orwell thoughts while I'm at it:
> .
> .
> Was thinking the other day about young Eric Blair trying so hard to
> spend Christmas in jail and realizing the extent of detachment from
> family that implies. Both his parents were then living, and not all
> that far from London. They must have wanted him at the dinner table.
Typical young upper-lower-middle-upper-middle class rebellion - but a
great idea. Nowadays they just take LSD in Thailand.
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> .
> Also, been rereading *Ulysses* and finding all sorts of Orwell stuff,
> not just the Nighttown narrative model and the character named Mrs.
> Talboys, but, e.g., a comic riff with a character addressing God as
> "Big Brother up there, Mr President," and other stuff I can't remember
> now.
>
> Suppose the daily-awkwardness stuff in Orwell's novels owes a lot to
> Joyce too. What an amazing big womb of a book.
If Ulysses is a womb, is The Odyssey an amazing big cock of a book?
CM >> Stay informed about: Warm wishes on a cold night |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:19 am
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On 28 Dec, 03:26, jmm1951 wrote:
> On Dec 22, 10:08 pm, bride... RemoveThis @pacbell.net wrote:
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> > Best for the holidays & 2008 to whoever is still reading here.
> > .
> > .
> > Some bottled-up Orwell thoughts while I'm at it:
> > .
> > .
> > Was thinking the other day about young Eric Blair trying so hard to
> > spend Christmas in jail and realizing the extent of detachment from
> > family that implies. Both his parents were then living, and not all
> > that far from London. They must have wanted him at the dinner table.
> > .
> > .
> > Also, been rereading *Ulysses* and finding all sorts of Orwell stuff,
> > not just the Nighttown narrative model and the character named Mrs.
> > Talboys, but, e.g., a comic riff with a character addressing God as
> > "Big Brother up there, Mr President," and other stuff I can't remember
> > now.
>
> > Suppose the daily-awkwardness stuff in Orwell's novels owes a lot to
> > Joyce too. What an amazing big womb of a book.
> > .
> > .
> > Rgds,
>
> > /M
>
> If he had had a Blackberry, he would never have got away with it.
>
Why?
> I guess that he wondered how he, like Joyce, could get his books into
> the English secondary school curriculum so that every child would know
> (and fear) his name. Clearly Clergyman's Daughter did not quite cut
> it, but with that book about animals and another later book he really
> hit the textbook jackpot. He could have taken early retirement and
> spent his latter years playing golf with Bing Crosby, who was his
> exact contemporary.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
If he'd have lived another twenty years this group would not exist.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:13 am
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On Dec 28 2007, 5:19 am, charliemusw... DeleteThis @googlemail.com wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 03:26, jmm1951 wrote:
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> > On Dec 22, 10:08 pm, bride... DeleteThis @pacbell.net wrote:
>
> > > Best for the holidays & 2008 to whoever is still reading here.
> > > .
> > > .
> > > Some bottled-up Orwell thoughts while I'm at it:
> > > .
> > > .
> > > Was thinking the other day about young Eric Blair trying so hard to
> > > spend Christmas in jail and realizing the extent of detachment from
> > > family that implies. Both his parents were then living, and not all
> > > that far from London. They must have wanted him at the dinner table.
> > > .
> > > .
> > > Also, been rereading *Ulysses* and finding all sorts of Orwell stuff,
> > > not just the Nighttown narrative model and the character named Mrs.
> > > Talboys, but, e.g., a comic riff with a character addressing God as
> > > "Big Brother up there, Mr President," and other stuff I can't remember
> > > now.
>
> > > Suppose the daily-awkwardness stuff in Orwell's novels owes a lot to
> > > Joyce too. What an amazing big womb of a book.
> > > .
> > > .
> > > Rgds,
>
> > > /M
>
> > If he had had a Blackberry, he would never have got away with it.
>
> Why?
>
> > I guess that he wondered how he, like Joyce, could get his books into
> > the English secondary school curriculum so that every child would know
> > (and fear) his name. Clearly Clergyman's Daughter did not quite cut
> > it, but with that book about animals and another later book he really
> > hit the textbook jackpot. He could have taken early retirement and
> > spent his latter years playing golf with Bing Crosby, who was his
> > exact contemporary.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If he'd have lived another twenty years this group would not exist.
>
> CM
Just kidding. Joyce seems to be one of those writers who is widely
read mainly by means of being in the academic curriculum rather than
through any affection for his work (by most people). As if Ulysses was
not hard enough for most people, he really went the whole hog with the
unreadable Finnegans Wake. Stylistically he seems to have been a dead
end, and has had little influence on the novel. Any attempt to emulate
Joyce was certainly a dead end for Orwell. >> Stay informed about: Warm wishes on a cold night |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:33 pm
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charliemuswell.DeleteThis@googlemail.com wrote:
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>> Suppose the daily-awkwardness stuff in Orwell's novels owes a lot to
>> Joyce too. What an amazing big womb of a book.
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> If Ulysses is a womb, is The Odyssey an amazing big cock of a book?
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> CM
Wouldn't say so. Both wombs in the sense that they're fertile mothers of
many later works and ideas. If you'd prefer, call 'em both fathers of
literature or some damn higherfalutin thing.
jmm wrote re: Joyce:
> Stylistically he seems to have been a dead
> end, and has had little influence on the novel. Any attempt to emulate
> Joyce was certainly a dead end for Orwell.
and I dunno about that. Didn't Joyce give a lot of people permission to
use unelevated, seemingly unedited moments in daily life as grist for
novel-writing?
Also, this is probably a dumb example of subsequent inspiration but I
think Joyce wrote the original for the bit in the *Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy* where Mr. Prosser daydreams about a cottage at Point E with
axes over the door.
/M >> Stay informed about: Warm wishes on a cold night |
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